Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 1 | How to install Python 2.2b1 on your Macintosh |
Jack Jansen | cbed91b | 2001-08-03 13:31:36 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 2 | --------------------------------------------- |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 3 | |
Jack Jansen | c1218bc | 2001-04-25 22:11:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 4 | This is a MacPython that can run on classic MacOS (from 8.1 |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 5 | onwards) and natively on MacOSX. The installer tries to work out whether you can |
Jack Jansen | cbed91b | 2001-08-03 13:31:36 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 6 | use the Carbon version or not. |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 7 | |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 8 | You should definitely read the Relnotes file too, and the section below about |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 9 | toolbox module reorganization. You should also read :Misc:NEWS, which lists |
| 10 | the general (non-mac-dependent) new features of this Python release. |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 11 | |
Jack Jansen | c1218bc | 2001-04-25 22:11:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 12 | A special note about the active installer: do not background it, it may hang |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 13 | your machine. This is a general problem with Vise active installers, MindVision |
| 14 | are working on it. |
Jack Jansen | 8ef786e | 2001-03-15 14:27:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 15 | |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 16 | ------ |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 17 | |
| 18 | If this is your first encounter with Python: you definitely need the |
| 19 | common user documentation (common to all platforms). You can find this |
Jack Jansen | 538bd13 | 2000-10-19 21:58:27 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 20 | (in various forms) on www.pythonlabs.com, www.python.org and |
| 21 | ftp.python.org. Through there, or via |
| 22 | http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython.html you can also find the most recent |
| 23 | MacPython distribution. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 24 | |
| 25 | Mac-specific documentation is included in this distribution in folder |
| 26 | Mac:Demo. The documentation is sparse, but it will have to serve for |
| 27 | now. The documentation is in HTML format, start with index.html. |
| 28 | |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 29 | This installer installs MacPython for classic PPC MacOS, MacPython for Carbon |
| 30 | (OS X, OS 9 or OS8 with CarbonLib installed) or both, depending on your |
| 31 | configuration. By selecting custom install you can bypass these tests and |
| 32 | install what you want. |
Jack Jansen | ecbc1cc | 1998-01-06 12:13:16 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 33 | |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 34 | If you want 68k support you will have to stay with MacPython 1.5.2. |
Jack Jansen | 965226b | 2000-09-14 20:58:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 35 | |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 36 | Toolbox module reorganization and more |
| 37 | -------------------------------------- |
| 38 | |
| 39 | You can safely skip this section if this is your first encounter with MacPython. |
| 40 | |
| 41 | I am working on a new organization of the mac-specific modules, and in |
| 42 | general bringing the MacPython folder structure more in line with |
| 43 | unix-Python. This is not only a good idea, it will also immensely |
| 44 | facilitate moving MacPython functionality to an OSX Python that is based |
| 45 | on Mach-O and the unix-Python distribution. But don't worry: MacPython |
| 46 | is definitely not dead yet, and the hope is that the transition will be |
| 47 | as seamless as possible. |
| 48 | |
| 49 | First a change that should not cause too much concern: :Mac:Plugins has |
| 50 | gone, and most of the dynamically loaded modules have moved to |
| 51 | :Lib:lib-dynload. |
| 52 | |
| 53 | Second, and more important: the toolbox modules, such as Res and |
| 54 | Resource, have moved to a Carbon package. So, in stead of "import Res" |
| 55 | you should now say "from Carbon import Res" and in stead of "from Res |
| 56 | import *" you should use "from Carbon.Res import *". For the lifetime of |
| 57 | MacPython 2.2 there is a folder :Mac:Lib:lib-compat on sys.path that |
| 58 | contains modules with the old names which imports the new names after |
| 59 | issuing a warning. |
| 60 | |
| 61 | Note that although the package is called Carbon the modules work fine under |
| 62 | classic PPC, and they are normal classic modules. Also note that some |
| 63 | modules you may think of as toolbox modules (such as Waste) really are not, |
| 64 | and they are not in the Carbon package. |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 65 | |
| 66 | Another change related to the OSX growth path is that there is a new module |
| 67 | macresource that you can use to easily open a resource file accompanying your |
| 68 | script. Use "macresource.need("DLOG", MY_DIALOG_ID, "name.rsrc") and if the |
| 69 | given resource is not available (it _is_ available if your script has been |
| 70 | turned into an applet) the given resource file will be opened. This method will |
| 71 | eventually also contain the magic needed to open the resource file on |
| 72 | OSX MachO Python. |
| 73 | |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 74 | Another feature to help with the OSX transition is that if you open a textfile |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 75 | for reading MacPython will now accept either unix linefeeds (LF, '\n') or |
| 76 | Macintosh linefeeds (CR, '\r') and present both of them as '\n'. This is done on |
| 77 | a low level, so it works for files opened by scripts as well as for your scripts |
Jack Jansen | f7e5714 | 2001-09-08 21:38:26 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 78 | and modules itself. This can be turned off with a preference/startup option. |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 79 | |
| 80 | But: |
| 81 | - this works only for input, and there's no way to find out what the original |
| 82 | linefeed convention of the file was. |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 83 | - Windows \r\n linefeeds are not supported and get turned into \n\n. |
| 84 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 85 | What to install |
| 86 | --------------- |
| 87 | |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 88 | The optional parts in this distribution are |
| 89 | - TK+PIL: Tkinter and support modules, plus Imaging, the Python image manipulation |
| 90 | package (allows you to read, write and display images and do lots of operations on them). |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 91 | For Carbon MacPython you only get PIL: there is no Tcl/Tk for Carbon yet. |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 92 | This is the reason Classic MacPython is also installed on MacOSX: it allows you |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 93 | to run Tkinter applications, albeit in the Classic box. |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 94 | - img: another imaging package. Has more file format support and is faster |
| 95 | than imaging, but has only limited operations on images. There is a bridge |
| 96 | between the packages. |
| 97 | - Numeric: the LLNL Numeric Python extension. All sorts of nifty operations |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 98 | on matrices and such. This is the most recent version from the sourceforge archive. |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 99 | Numeric has moved from Extensions to :Lib:site-python, by the way, see the release |
| 100 | notes. |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 101 | - Developers kit: all header files and some tools and sample projects to get you started on |
| 102 | writing Python extensions if you have CodeWarrior. |
| 103 | All these except the DevKit are installed with Easy Install. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 104 | |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 105 | After the installer finishes it automatically launches the appropriate |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 106 | ConfigurePython applet, to finish configuration of your Python. If you run MacOS9 or later |
Jack Jansen | cbe7b1c | 2001-03-06 22:42:12 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 107 | (or 8 with CarbonLib installed) you can switch back and forth between the classic and |
| 108 | Carbon versions of Python by running either ConfigurePythonClassic or ConfigurePythonCarbon. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 109 | |
Jack Jansen | 2e42bdd | 2000-11-14 20:37:37 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 110 | Moving your Python installation after installing is generally not a good idea. |
| 111 | If you have to do this anyway you should remove your preference file, run |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 112 | ConfigurePython and remove all .pyc files. (there's a script zappyc.py that does |
| 113 | the latter). |
Jack Jansen | 2e42bdd | 2000-11-14 20:37:37 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 114 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 115 | If you don't have enough memory: the sizes choosen are somewhat |
Jack Jansen | 9080e9b | 2001-01-23 21:03:52 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 116 | arbitrary, and they are as high as they are so that test.autotest runs with fewer |
| 117 | problems. An average Python program can make do with much less memory. |
| 118 | Try lowering the application sizes in the finder "get info" |
| 119 | window, and seeing whether the resulting python is still usable. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 120 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 121 | After installing |
| 122 | ---------------- |
| 123 | |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 124 | It is probably a good idea to run the automatic tests. Start |
Jack Jansen | f7e5714 | 2001-09-08 21:38:26 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 125 | Python and "import test.regrtest ; test.regrtest.main()". |
Jack Jansen | de51909 | 2000-10-12 21:21:43 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 126 | |
Jack Jansen | f7e5714 | 2001-09-08 21:38:26 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 127 | test_time will fail because MacPython accepts bogus values for mktime(), this |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 128 | will be fixed later (it is not a very serious problem). |
Jack Jansen | f7e5714 | 2001-09-08 21:38:26 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 129 | |
| 130 | test_descrtut will fail because of a problem with the test itself. |
| 131 | |
| 132 | Three tests will fail on MacOS9 with MemoryErrors: |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 133 | test_longexp, test_sha and test_zlib (on MacOSX these should pass). |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 134 | |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 135 | If you increase the PythonInterpreter memory |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 136 | partition size they will pass (but for longexp you have to increase it by an |
Jack Jansen | 99e607a | 2001-05-10 12:20:30 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 137 | incredible amount, 400MB is rumoured). It will, however, print some messages |
Jack Jansen | 2e42bdd | 2000-11-14 20:37:37 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 138 | about optional features not supported. You should not worry about these, |
| 139 | they are modules that are supported by Python on other platforms. Also, |
| 140 | if you didn't run compileall before autotesting you may run out of |
| 141 | memory the first time you run the tests. test_socket may also fail if |
| 142 | you have no internet connection. Please also read the Relnotes file for |
| 143 | other minor problems with this distribution. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 144 | |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 145 | Using Python is most easily done from the IDE, which has a builtin editor, |
| 146 | debugger and other goodies. The alternative is to use PythonInterpreter, |
| 147 | which is the lowlevel interpreter with a console-window only (similar to Unix |
| 148 | Python). |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 149 | |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 150 | If your program uses Tkinter you MUST run it under PythonInterpreter, Tkinter |
| 151 | and IDE are incompatible and your program will fail in strange ways. |
| 152 | |
Jack Jansen | 0b72695 | 1997-10-08 15:34:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 153 | Uninstalling |
| 154 | ------------ |
| 155 | |
| 156 | Two items are installed in the system folder: the interpreter shared |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 157 | libraries PythonCore and PythonCoreCarbon lives in the Extensions folder and the |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 158 | "Python 2.2b1 Preferences" file in the Python subfolder in the |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 159 | Preferences folder. All the rest of Python lives in the folder you |
| 160 | installed in. |
Jack Jansen | 0b72695 | 1997-10-08 15:34:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 161 | |
Jack Jansen | c1218bc | 2001-04-25 22:11:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 162 | On OSX the libraries are installed in /Library/CFMSupport. There is a nasty bug |
| 163 | in OSX that is triggered by Python: if any orphaned aliases are left in |
| 164 | /Library/CFMSupport your machine will start to behave very badly. 2.1 |
| 165 | beta installers triggered this problem if you simply threw away your Python folder, |
| 166 | so if you installed a 2.1beta you should clean out the aliases in /Library/CFMSupport |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 167 | too. The final 2.1 and 2.1.1 installers always copied the shared libraries on OSX, so it does |
Jack Jansen | c1218bc | 2001-04-25 22:11:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 168 | not have the problem anymore. |
| 169 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 170 | Things to see |
| 171 | ------------- |
| 172 | |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 173 | Start off at Mac:Demo:index.html. Read at least the first few sections. |
| 174 | |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 175 | There are also some interesting files in the "Relnotes" folder that may |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 176 | contain useful information. There is also a first stab at documentation |
| 177 | (plus examples) in the Mac:Demo folder. The toplevel Demo folder has |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 178 | machine-independent demos. |
| 179 | The Mac:Lib:test folder also has some programs that show simple |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 180 | capabilities of various modules. |
| 181 | |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 182 | The ":Mac:scripts" folder has some sample scripts. Some are useful, some are |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 183 | just interesting to look at to see how various things work. The MkDistr, |
| 184 | mkapplet and fullbuild scripts (plus the ones mentioned above) may help |
| 185 | you to understand how to use AppleEvents and various other toolboxes |
| 186 | from python. |
| 187 | |
Jack Jansen | 8a6cdcc | 2000-09-10 12:02:28 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 188 | Other mac-specific goodies can be found in :Mac:Tools, of which the IDE sources |
| 189 | and a CGI framework deserve special mention. |
| 190 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 191 | The 'img' group of modules, which handles I/O of many different image |
Jack Jansen | d0ddb66 | 1998-04-27 15:14:36 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 192 | formats is included, but without documentation. You can find docs at |
| 193 | ftp://ftp.cwi.nl/pub/jack/python/img (or somewhere around there). |
| 194 | |
| 195 | Finally there is a Mac:Contrib folder which contains some contributed |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 196 | software. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 197 | |
| 198 | Upgrading from older Python releases |
| 199 | ------------------------------------ |
| 200 | |
Jack Jansen | 2f9a9e3 | 2001-02-17 22:03:42 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 201 | Python releases are independent of each other, with |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 202 | separate Preferences files, shared library names, etc. The good news is |
| 203 | that this means you can keep your older version around if you are unsure |
| 204 | whether to upgrade. The bad news is that your old preference settings |
| 205 | are lost and you have to set them again. |
| 206 | |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 207 | After you are satisfied that 2.2b1 works as expected you can trash |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 208 | anything in the system folder that has "python" in the name and not |
Jack Jansen | 5d528b7 | 2001-10-23 22:22:09 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 209 | "2.2b1". |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 210 | |
Jack Jansen | 028f2d5 | 2001-08-29 22:04:08 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 211 | The ConfigurePython... applets will try to detect incompatible preferences |
Jack Jansen | 2b73fe9 | 2001-03-27 21:38:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 212 | files and offer to remove them. This means that re-running ConfigurePython after |
| 213 | a second install of the same MacPython version (or after moving the Python folder) |
| 214 | should fix things up correctly. |
| 215 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 216 | The installer |
| 217 | ------------- |
| 218 | |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 219 | The installer for this product was created using Installer VISE |
| 220 | from MindVision Software. For more information on Installer VISE, |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 221 | contact: |
| 222 | MindVision Software |
| 223 | 7201 North 7th Street |
| 224 | Lincoln, NE 68521-8913 |
| 225 | Voice: 402-477-3269 |
| 226 | Fax: 402-477-1395 |
| 227 | Internet: mindvision@mindvision.com |
| 228 | http://www.mindvision.com |
| 229 | |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 230 | Just van Rossum <just@letterror.nl> created the initial version of the |
| 231 | installer (with Installer Vise Lite), and Jack worked from there. |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 232 | |
Jack Jansen | 01ae9eb | 2000-04-22 22:57:25 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 233 | Thanks! |
| 234 | ------- |
| 235 | |
Jack Jansen | 965226b | 2000-09-14 20:58:24 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 236 | Thanks go to the whole Python community with Guido in the lead, of |
| 237 | course. Mac-specific thanks go to the pythonmac-sig, Just van Rossum, |
| 238 | Corran Webster, Tony Ingraldi, Erik van Blokland, Bill Bedford, Chris |
| 239 | Stern, Gordon Worley, Oliver Steele, M. Papillon, Steven Majewski, David |
Jack Jansen | 538bd13 | 2000-10-19 21:58:27 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 240 | Goodger, Chris Barker, Luc Lefebvre, Tattoo Mabonzo K., Russell Finn, |
Jack Jansen | f7e5714 | 2001-09-08 21:38:26 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 241 | Tom Bridgman, Russel Owen, Pascal Oberndoerfer, Dean Draayer, |
| 242 | Alexandre Parenteau, |
Jack Jansen | de1d495 | 2001-08-27 15:30:48 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 243 | and all the other people who provided feedback, code or both! |
Jack Jansen | 01ae9eb | 2000-04-22 22:57:25 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 244 | |
Jack Jansen | de51909 | 2000-10-12 21:21:43 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 245 | MacPython includes waste, a TextEdit replacement which is (c) 1998 Marco Piovanelli. |
| 246 | |
Jack Jansen | 9080e9b | 2001-01-23 21:03:52 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 247 | A special mention is deserved by Matthias Neeracher, who has written the brilliant |
| 248 | unix-compatible GUSI I/O library, without which MacPython would not have sockets |
| 249 | or select, and to Alexandre Parenteau, who has ported this library to Carbon. |
| 250 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 251 | Feedback |
| 252 | -------- |
| 253 | |
| 254 | Send bug reports, suggestions, contributions and fanmail to |
Jack Jansen | ecbc1cc | 1998-01-06 12:13:16 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 255 | <jack@cwi.nl>. However, a better way to discuss MacPython is to join the |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 256 | <pythonmac-sig@python.org> mailing list, which is explicitly meant for |
| 257 | this purpose. |
| 258 | |
Jack Jansen | b25ec91 | 2001-03-05 15:44:55 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 259 | |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 260 | Jack Jansen |
Jack Jansen | 12a37b7 | 2000-05-06 23:01:07 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 261 | Oratrix Development BV |
| 262 | Valeriusplein 30 |
| 263 | Amsterdam |
Jack Jansen | 83cab72 | 1997-08-26 13:25:06 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 264 | the Netherlands |
| 265 | |
| 266 | <jack@cwi.nl>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack |